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FOOSBALL AND THE MIRACLE DISCIPLE CROSS

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Postby louie on Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:57 am

FOOSBALL AND THE MIRACLE DISCIPLE CROSS


For at least a month before the 2007 Kentucky State Foosball Tournament, I started preparing physically, mentally, and spiritually. I tried to swim every night. I would pray while I swam. I would pray asking that God would make me his disciple; that I would recognize the opportunity to testify for him and do it; that I would look for this opportunity around the people who needed it the most. I would say the Our Father, the Hail Mary, the Glory Be, The Fatima Prayer and more. I would try to medicate, pray, talk to God, and feel the Holy Spirit while I was in the pool. I also prepared by playing Casting Crowns’ The Voice of Truth over and over again. In addition, I moved my trophies over in my storage room to make room for one more. I wanted to win a trophy so that I could say that I had won a trophy every decade for the last four decades. My motivation for winning and my prayers were not for the money, but to disciple for Christ and a trophy.

In the Pro Singles event Saturday evening and night I won my first six matches. Out of approximately 108 players I would be playing for the winner’s bracket the next day. I was real excited; in fact I started telling everyone about my accomplishment, including a guaranteed trophy, even calling friends and family.

On about four hours of light sleep I woke up the next morning, Sunday, and went to church. After church I showed up at the tournament room at about 11:00. I started getting real cold waiting to play. The longer I sat around waiting the colder I got and the more I could see my chances of winning fading.

I finally got to play for the winner’s bracket after nine hours of waiting and lost. While waiting to play for second place I walked over to the trophies and couldn’t find the third place trophies. I then discovered that there were trophies only for first and second places. In addition, I became very disappointed at how cheap the trophies looked. I knew I was in trouble, I wasn’t guaranteed a trophy like I had thought and I wasn’t hot like I was the night before. I ended up losing my next match and not getting a trophy.

On the way home I decided to go to the Smoky Mountains. At the base of the Smoky Mountains I walked into a Walgreens store to get something and next to the register there it was, a box with disciple crosses for sale. I didn’t have my reading glasses with me, so I had the lady at the register read to me what they were and they were marked disciple crosses. I picked out the one I liked and bought it. It didn’t realize it at first, but later I came to realize that that cross was the trophy that God wanted me to have. God didn’t want me to have a cheap plastic trophy; he wanted me to have that disciple cross. I prayed for days prior to the tournament that God would make me his disciple and God confirmed it with that disciple cross. I’ve never seen a disciple cross before anywhere, but there it was at the base of the mountains after I had prayed for weeks for it. God had spoken to me.

The cross is made of nails to represent the spikes that were driven through the feet and hands of Christ. It is wrapped with wire to represent the crown of thorns that were placed on his head. The strap that goes around my neck represents the whips that were used to beat him.

My disciple cross is the best trophy and gift that God could have given me. :) :)
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Postby alaskan thunder on Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:13 pm

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Postby Craig on Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:05 am

Bu dump Tsssss - Chris will be here all week, Folks! Be sure to try the Veal...
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Postby louie on Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:21 pm

I hope we meet one day on the foosball table.
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Postby alaskan thunder on Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:26 pm

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Postby Micah on Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:36 am

May we all find salvation through foos!
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Postby alaskan thunder on Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:00 pm

meh
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Postby Micah on Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:21 pm

May we all find salvation through foos!
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Postby alaskan thunder on Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:48 pm

meh
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Postby Micah on Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:28 pm

May we all find salvation through foos!
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Postby ttmf on Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:46 pm

Way to represent the "turn the other cheek mentality" of the Christians and way to support your postition with baseless drivel as opposed to facts.


Chris,

Exactly what position do think Micah was trying to support?

Now would a good Christian ever tell anyone to go fuck himself?


You think you understand how a Christian is supposed to behave? I suppose since you have claimed not to be religious, understanding religion must simply be a scholarly pursuit of yours? I tend to doubt it.

Maybe someday god can teach you to construct a logically sound argument, PRICK !!!!


Who did you think was debating with you Chris? Do you feel uneasy when someone mentions religion? Is that why you took the offensive?

If some of the foosers on these boards think I am confused and miserable because of my stance on religion so be it, but I can assure I live a perfectly happy life although my happiness is not derived from a source such as religion.


I do not think you are miserable because of your stance on religion. I do not know why you are miserable. To write what amounts to nothing more than inflammatory post designed for the sole purpose of insulting someone and attempting to attack them would cause any reader to assume that you are miserable...at least for right now.

Feel free to ask anyone who has met me and they will tell you that I am one of the most easy going people around.


Your posts do not paint a picture of someone that is "one of the most easy going people around."

That being said, Ill be damned if some uneducated conservative jackass is going to attack me personally (as opposed to my thoughts) on a message board.


For someone that has tried to imply that they are college educated and logical you sure jump to conclusions. There is nothing in Micah's posts or Louie's posts that would indicate that they are "uneducated." Perhaps you inaccurately equate being religious with being uneducated.

Also, you were not attacked personally anymore than you attacked personally. An educated person in your position would never play the part of the victim as you have.

Your rudimentary arguing style may have worked on the playground in 3rd grade but it's not gonna fly on the internet so long as I am around.


I think your childish comments got Micah angry and he responded with anger. Nobody was arguing with you. Perhaps that is what you are so upset about. Perhaps you wanted to get involved in a debate about religion. Might I suggest an easier method for you? Post a question about religion and those who respond may debate with you.

(See that was a persuasive argument!!!)


Chris, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you did not present an argument or anything persuasive. You simply went on a childish rant.

My post was not intended to come off as an attack on Louie, merely a statement of my feelings on the matter.


Really? You should re-read your post. I did and it still sounds like someone pissed in your cornflakes and you were simply looking to incite someone else.

By attacking me personally you not only invalidated the basis for your argument through fallacious reasoning, you also came of as being kind of an asshole.


What argument are you talking about? He came off as being an asshole?!?! Are you serious? Your post has asshole written all over it.

As I previously stated, people are entitled to believe whatever gets them through the day and people are also to entitled to disagree with what others say and think so long as they can support their premises with some sort of substantive evidence (as opposed to childish name calling).


People can disagree with anything and they are not required to "support their premises with some sort of substantive evidence." If this is a rule you make for yourself you should consider following it, unless of course you have no integrity. If that is the case then carry on.

I have been to churches in which the ideas of evolution and carbon dating has been dismissed as weird science!!


There are scientists who have a problem with both the Theory of Evolution and carbon dating. You should open your mind a bit more. Science once told us, not to long ago, the Earth was flat and that the Earth was center of the universe.

Micah,

It was nice of you to apologize to Chris, but the truth is he was dickhead and should apologize to you and Louie. I do not suspect that he will because based on the drivel he has posted so far I fear he is bit immature and consequently very insecure.

Louie,

Thanks for the story.
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Postby foosfighter on Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:22 pm

Damn Alaska you just got face palmed! You gonna let the trash talkin mother fu*ker do that to you? Carry on boys>>>.
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Postby alaskan thunder on Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:21 pm

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Postby alaskan thunder on Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:29 pm

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Postby ttmf on Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:13 pm

Just because I dont believe in Christianity does not mean that I was not raised in a church. In fact I spent my first eight years of school in a religious establishment. Yet because I don't agree with a religion (or religion in general) this prevents me from knowing the tenants of a religion? I think not. I am well aware that christians profess to be humble in nature and nonjudgemental. This is not reflected in Michas post.


So let me get this straight. You are basing your view about how a Christian should behave on an 8th grader's mentality? That sounds about right.

How can you assume that I am miserable based on a few paragraphs I wrote on the internet.


Anyone that would follow a story that intended to inspire people with a negative commentary on Christianity would appear to be miserable. This would include you.

I didnt assume that you were miserable based on your naive beliefs.


So far this is the only logical thing you have said.

Do you feel uneasy when someones view differs from your own???


Not at all...well except when they act like a pompous know it all jackass. Again this would be you.

Maybe I see and hear from Christians quite often and I have made a habit of letting my beliefs be known on the matter. The internet does happen to be a bastion of free thought and expression.


This is true and that is why I am telling you what I think of your attack. And yes it was an attack. You claimed to have put forth some sort of argument, but this is what you said,

<begin christian rant<
LOL
So i prayed to Jah for like a month before I played in the S FL foosball championship. He bestowed me with some serious chronic which allowed me to decimate my opponents on my way to winning my division and finishing 5th in open doubles. On the way home I got superstoned in order to pay homage to he who giveth us heathens the dank weed.

BTW if there was a Christian God, as opposed to Buddah Alla Shiva Ganesh Zeus Thor or the Space Pope (who happens to be reptillian)etc. Please tell him I think he is an asshole and I am sick of his fan boys.

Thanks, Chris

/ read some nietzsche
// bets my skillz come from satan
>end christian rant>


If you have any sort of training or education in how to construct a logical argument and this is your idea of a "logical argument" then you are a moron.

Yes beacuse you know everything about my life and personality because of my stance on religion?! How insightful.


I never said I know everything about your life and personality because of your stance on religion. Why do you throw in everything about your life? Since you know so much about logical fallacies, you clearly know this a red herring. In your case I would call it the drama queen fallacy.

Actually if Micha was educated enough to understand the most basic concepts of logic he would know that attacking a person and calling them an asshole, telling them to go fuck themself, etc is considered an ad hominem argument which is not logically vaild. (feel free to double check me on that one, not that you actually will)Not being able to form a basic logical argument (premis supported by facts) is about as uneducated as one can be, so no I dont equate religion with lack of education, but I do equate weak fallacious arguments with lack of education.


You continually mention ad hominem attacks. Of course if you knew what the fuck you were talking about you would realize that an Ad Hominem attack can only exist during the course of a debate. Since there was no debate he was just letting you know that you are an asshole.

Actually I never attacked Louis personally.


Yes you did. You tell a man who is clearly a Christian that if there is a God to tell him that you think he is an asshole. You are insulting the man's beliefs. If you cannot understand that this is an attack maybe you should lay off the chronic for a bit.

Did I find the story silly and absurd?


So you are that dickhead in the mall telling all the kids that have just seen Santa that he is not real. You are that same guy that has to be heard on every topic like your opinion means something to the rest of us when in fact we all see how stupid you are the more you open your mouth.

Please point out anywhere in my statements in which I called anyone names (unless I was labled by someone else first, Micha, Oberfoosin1). I attacked the beliefs that made up the story but that was it. There is a big difference between attacking a belief and attacking a person (remember that ad hominem thingy?)!


You do not have to call someone names to have an Ad Hominem attack. You need to look up a definition of Ad hominem. If you were attempting to debate with Louis then your whole post was an Ad Hominem attack.

Had Micha attacked my beliefs without actually attacking me I would have had nothing to take issue with, unfortunately this was not the case.


Really? That would be an Ad Hominem attack. Go back to school fool.

Actually if you had the most basic idea of how to present an argument you would realize how idiodic that statement was.


Where did you present an argument? Show me! You presented nothing but a childish rant.

I work for the Public Defenders Office (I argue just a little bit) so until you work you way through years of undergraduate and post graduate logic classes I would appreciate if you would not discuss that which you cannot begin to understand!!!


Ooooo the Public Defender's Office! There are Public Defender's Offices all across this country filled with illiterate morons like you. Shit you cannot construct a sentence and you want to talk about logical fallacies?!?! You keep throwing the term Ad Hominem around like it is some sort special knowledge reserved for the well educated. It is a basic concept that you clearly, based on your moronic posts, have not quite completely grasped.

Apparently I incited many people but I also had many who agreed with my position, at least on EZboard.


Appeal to Popularity...look it up.

This is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read, We may now be stupider for having read it.


I doubt it in your case, but since it is the dumbest thing you have ever read I have to assume you do not read your own posts. Oh by the way your last statement...Appeal to Ridicule...look it up.

Your post is clearly a knee jerk reaction to my post because if you actually spent the time to understand what has been said you would not have made it. If you actually thought about it and still wrote what you did than you are much more uneducated than I initially assumed.

Let me guess...you will quickly respond to my post with more nonsense and no clue as to how to express yourself with anything bordering on intelligence.


Wow, more logical fallacies! I’ll let you figure these out for yourself. Post if you need some help.

Chris,

You are in waaay over head. Perhaps you went over how to construct a logical argument in an English 101 at the local community college and you were able to remember the term Ad Hominem. You remembered enough to know that calling someone names in the course of a debate qualified as that Ad Hominem thingy. Of course you forgot the "in the course of a debate" part. You figured you would pull all that education out here and try to look smart. You have only succeeded in making yourself look like an idiot. A word of advice...quit while you are waaaaaay behind. You are waaaaay out of your league.

Another piece of advice…you should apologize to Louis and Micah. I suspect you are to immature to do so.

Class dismissed.
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Postby alaskan thunder on Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:53 am

Ok TT you may have a point or two. Although this did not become a debate until Micha flamed me and called me an asshole. I did admit to being somewhat brash in my initial post but merely stating how I felt on a public message board is not unheard of. BTW

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claims is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

Everyone who responded to my post on this board did precisely that, attack me not my arguments. I did not attempt to debate Louis although I did maybe go out of my way to make my views known on the topic. The subsequent posters such as micha failed to respond to the substance of my post and instead chose to tell me to fuck off. I informed him of the mistake and we now simply agree to disagree.

As far as my exposure to religion goes...... I happen to be close with more that a few religious friends who do not agree with my views on religion (and vice versa). We debate our positions and as a result I am frequently exposed to the Christian moral compass although this does not breed a huge amount of animostiy between us (we are still friends, after all).

I do not care for religion and as a result I stand at odds with many who strongly believe in that cause. If that pisses some people off then so be it.

I personally felt that this became a debate once others started telling me why I need Jesus in my life and that I am confused and lost. I take offense to remarks such as these and I spoke accordingly. I did not intend to begin an argument but one did begin in response to my initial post.

Maybe what I said initially about Louies faith was an attack, althought this was not my intent. I was venting on religion and Louie unwittingly provided me an outlet to do so. If I offended him personally by attacking Christianity and religion the I do, in fact, apologize for that. Micha and I have already made nice.

You do have some valid points and I think you post does a decent job of explaining them. If you had been the initial responder to my post I doubt it would have gotten to this point (with all the unnecessary finger pointing and such).

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Postby ttmf on Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:59 am

Ok TT you may have a point or two.


Thanks.

Although this did not become a debate until Micha flamed me and called me an asshole. I did admit to being somewhat brash in my initial post but merely stating how I felt on a public message board is not unheard of. BTW


I would not call it a debate as much as it became a flame war. I also think your initial post was more than just "brash." That said, your tone has changed considerably and I stand corrected about your level of maturity.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.


Attacking a person's beliefs is an ad hominem attack.

Everyone who responded to my post on this board did precisely that, attack me not my arguments.


I don't want to beat a dead horse, but as I said before, people responded to your initial post in an inflammatory manner because that was the flavor of your initial. It was an inflammatory post intended to incite some emotions in a particular group of people and it was successful. It was not however a logical argument of any sort. You got the type of responses that you should have anticipated.

Now if you start another thread discussing the concept of the existence of God and you take the position that God does not exist, and people were to start flaming you after you presented a logical argument I would be one of the first people to jump on the board and defend you. I do not have to agree with you or your beliefs to respect you and help defend your rights.

On a different note:

I noticed you played with Hugh. Please tell him Kevin Skaltsis said hi. If he does not remember me tell him I was the Tornado pro that attended the Bonzini tournament where we met Tyler.
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Postby foosfighter on Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:52 am

Valiant effort Chris but TTMF is a freaking word NINJA. I could have warned you but you seemed to start out solid enough. Anyway, clearly one of the better back and forths this board has seen, probably ever. But that's really not saying too much considering the lack of action here.

Oh and Hugh remembers you. Your'e the Pro that went up to Canada and handed Imanpoor his ass on a platter. LMAO!
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Postby ttmf on Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:23 pm

Oh and Hugh remembers you. Your'e the Pro that went up to Canada and handed Imanpoor his ass on a platter. LMAO!


Actually it was his buddy Roy. Adam claimed Roy was the only person that was better than him on Tornado. I handed him his ass...well if you consider him scoring 4 goals in about 30 games of playing handing him his ass then that is what happened. This is not an exaggeration because he may have only scored 3 goals. LOL

It was actually the first time I beat someone on the table and felt kind of guilty after playing. I was just so hyped up from all the trash talking Roy and Adam did on the board that I just kept pounding this guy. I even beat him a few games on a Garlando table that was next to the Tornado just to prove to him that the table had nothing to do with it. When it was over he told me that he felt foolish and that he had no idea how good someone could become at foosball. He was a broken man and I felt kind of bad.

He also went on the board and admitted how badly he was beaten and he apologized to Loffredo and other players that he had claimed he could beat. I was surprised, but I had respect for him because he got so humble from then on. He was actually a nice guy in person. It was a good lesson for me because I then grew to suspect that most people that appear to be asses on these boards are probably people I would hang out with and play foos with if I met them in person.

Who are you foosfighter? Are you from Jacksonville? Do you see Tyler on a regular basis? If you do please tell him I said hi as well. I keep telling myself I am going to get down to Jacksonville and play on all of Tyler’s tables, but other things keep getting in the way like life.
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Postby foosfighter on Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:49 pm

Who are you foosfighter? Are you from Jacksonville?


Paul Ledger, Ya I'm from Jacksonville. I don't see Tyler that much anymore since I've pretty much quit playing. I know what you mean about life. I have been to his house a couple of times for dinner and what not. He's a great guy and I think I've played most of his tables! He's got a bunch. I will def tell him you said hello when I see him. I play Tornado and Bonzini. I'm ranked Expert on Bonzini and was about to turn Semi on Tornado until they did the point reset.

That's a great story about Adam and his friend. I think people should keep that in mind before getting super upset about what's said on a message board.
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Postby ottfoos on Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:58 pm

Too bad it wasn't Adam. It would have been a better victory.
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Postby hughsfoos on Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:39 pm

Hi Kevin, Hugh here.

Great to hear from you. Thanks for your contribution to this thread. I was wondering if anyone would post an intelligent, non-emotional response to my buddy Chris. He does so like to trash talk!

Loved the reminder of your educating the Garlando big dogs that a TRUE PRO could take them out on their turf AND table!

I'd love to see you here in the near future, we're trying to incorporate Bonzini into our local tourney schedule and could use a versatile player like yourself to show the scrubs how it's done.

good luck and good foosin'

HUGH
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Postby Micah on Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:48 pm

Damn Alaska you just got face palmed! You gonna let the trash talkin mother fu*ker do that to you? Carry on boys>>>.


Lol.... So much for owning someone's feeble thought process!.... lol.... :lol:
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Postby ttmf on Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:23 am

Hugh,

I sent you an email.

Kevin Skaltsis
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Postby overtheroad on Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:12 pm

who really gives a sh#t, if you think about it it was one persons view on why or how he lost a damn match witch i personally think it's bogus, "god" didnt have anything to do with anyone winning or loosing a match its more of a mental thing and how well one is playing. you can't put the blame on "god" for loosing or for winning the only real credit you can give "HIM" is that HE gave you the ability to play the game, you developed your ability and with persistance and practice got to where you are now. you can thank HIM for the ability, but you had to make the cometment to even think about being where you are now
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