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alaskan thunder
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Ok TT you may have a point or two. Although this did not become a debate until Micha flamed me and called me an asshole. I did admit to being somewhat brash in my initial post but merely stating how I felt on a public message board is not unheard of. BTW
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claims is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.
It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.
Everyone who responded to my post on this board did precisely that, attack me not my arguments. I did not attempt to debate Louis although I did maybe go out of my way to make my views known on the topic. The subsequent posters such as micha failed to respond to the substance of my post and instead chose to tell me to fuck off. I informed him of the mistake and we now simply agree to disagree.
As far as my exposure to religion goes...... I happen to be close with more that a few religious friends who do not agree with my views on religion (and vice versa). We debate our positions and as a result I am frequently exposed to the Christian moral compass although this does not breed a huge amount of animostiy between us (we are still friends, after all).
I do not care for religion and as a result I stand at odds with many who strongly believe in that cause. If that pisses some people off then so be it.
I personally felt that this became a debate once others started telling me why I need Jesus in my life and that I am confused and lost. I take offense to remarks such as these and I spoke accordingly. I did not intend to begin an argument but one did begin in response to my initial post.
Maybe what I said initially about Louies faith was an attack, althought this was not my intent. I was venting on religion and Louie unwittingly provided me an outlet to do so. If I offended him personally by attacking Christianity and religion the I do, in fact, apologize for that. Micha and I have already made nice.
You do have some valid points and I think you post does a decent job of explaining them. If you had been the initial responder to my post I doubt it would have gotten to this point (with all the unnecessary finger pointing and such).
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ttmf
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ok TT you may have a point or two. |
Thanks.
| Quote: | | Although this did not become a debate until Micha flamed me and called me an asshole. I did admit to being somewhat brash in my initial post but merely stating how I felt on a public message board is not unheard of. BTW |
I would not call it a debate as much as it became a flame war. I also think your initial post was more than just "brash." That said, your tone has changed considerably and I stand corrected about your level of maturity.
| Quote: | | An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. |
Attacking a person's beliefs is an ad hominem attack.
| Quote: | | Everyone who responded to my post on this board did precisely that, attack me not my arguments. |
I don't want to beat a dead horse, but as I said before, people responded to your initial post in an inflammatory manner because that was the flavor of your initial. It was an inflammatory post intended to incite some emotions in a particular group of people and it was successful. It was not however a logical argument of any sort. You got the type of responses that you should have anticipated.
Now if you start another thread discussing the concept of the existence of God and you take the position that God does not exist, and people were to start flaming you after you presented a logical argument I would be one of the first people to jump on the board and defend you. I do not have to agree with you or your beliefs to respect you and help defend your rights.
On a different note:
I noticed you played with Hugh. Please tell him Kevin Skaltsis said hi. If he does not remember me tell him I was the Tornado pro that attended the Bonzini tournament where we met Tyler. |
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foosfighter
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Valiant effort Chris but TTMF is a freaking word NINJA. I could have warned you but you seemed to start out solid enough. Anyway, clearly one of the better back and forths this board has seen, probably ever. But that's really not saying too much considering the lack of action here.
Oh and Hugh remembers you. Your'e the Pro that went up to Canada and handed Imanpoor his ass on a platter. LMAO! |
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ttmf
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Oh and Hugh remembers you. Your'e the Pro that went up to Canada and handed Imanpoor his ass on a platter. LMAO! |
Actually it was his buddy Roy. Adam claimed Roy was the only person that was better than him on Tornado. I handed him his ass...well if you consider him scoring 4 goals in about 30 games of playing handing him his ass then that is what happened. This is not an exaggeration because he may have only scored 3 goals. LOL
It was actually the first time I beat someone on the table and felt kind of guilty after playing. I was just so hyped up from all the trash talking Roy and Adam did on the board that I just kept pounding this guy. I even beat him a few games on a Garlando table that was next to the Tornado just to prove to him that the table had nothing to do with it. When it was over he told me that he felt foolish and that he had no idea how good someone could become at foosball. He was a broken man and I felt kind of bad.
He also went on the board and admitted how badly he was beaten and he apologized to Loffredo and other players that he had claimed he could beat. I was surprised, but I had respect for him because he got so humble from then on. He was actually a nice guy in person. It was a good lesson for me because I then grew to suspect that most people that appear to be asses on these boards are probably people I would hang out with and play foos with if I met them in person.
Who are you foosfighter? Are you from Jacksonville? Do you see Tyler on a regular basis? If you do please tell him I said hi as well. I keep telling myself I am going to get down to Jacksonville and play on all of Tyler’s tables, but other things keep getting in the way like life. |
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foosfighter
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Who are you foosfighter? Are you from Jacksonville? |
Paul Ledger, Ya I'm from Jacksonville. I don't see Tyler that much anymore since I've pretty much quit playing. I know what you mean about life. I have been to his house a couple of times for dinner and what not. He's a great guy and I think I've played most of his tables! He's got a bunch. I will def tell him you said hello when I see him. I play Tornado and Bonzini. I'm ranked Expert on Bonzini and was about to turn Semi on Tornado until they did the point reset.
That's a great story about Adam and his friend. I think people should keep that in mind before getting super upset about what's said on a message board. |
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ottfoos
Joined: 07 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| Too bad it wasn't Adam. It would have been a better victory. |
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hughsfoos
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: Hey Skaltsis! |
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Hi Kevin, Hugh here.
Great to hear from you. Thanks for your contribution to this thread. I was wondering if anyone would post an intelligent, non-emotional response to my buddy Chris. He does so like to trash talk!
Loved the reminder of your educating the Garlando big dogs that a TRUE PRO could take them out on their turf AND table!
I'd love to see you here in the near future, we're trying to incorporate Bonzini into our local tourney schedule and could use a versatile player like yourself to show the scrubs how it's done.
good luck and good foosin'
HUGH |
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Micah
Joined: 16 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Damn Alaska you just got face palmed! You gonna let the trash talkin mother fu*ker do that to you? Carry on boys>>>. |
Lol.... So much for owning someone's feeble thought process!.... lol....  |
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ttmf
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Hugh,
I sent you an email.
Kevin Skaltsis |
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overtheroad
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: guys |
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| who really gives a sh#t, if you think about it it was one persons view on why or how he lost a damn match witch i personally think it's bogus, "god" didnt have anything to do with anyone winning or loosing a match its more of a mental thing and how well one is playing. you can't put the blame on "god" for loosing or for winning the only real credit you can give "HIM" is that HE gave you the ability to play the game, you developed your ability and with persistance and practice got to where you are now. you can thank HIM for the ability, but you had to make the cometment to even think about being where you are now |
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Tyler Foos
Joined: 26 Aug 2007
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Kevin,
Your trip to Canada was a great story. Your effort really tamed an out of control ego, and I was glad that I had met you before so I could more fully appreciate it. The humility that followed was actually good for the game, IMHO.
I hope to see you again sometime soon, even if I have to travel!! Still the verbal surgeon, I see - Ahhh, the difference between being right and being correct...
Dave,
You are right, who really gives a s-#t. Of course, this still is the funniest thread I have ever read! Hope to see you soon.
Tyler |
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