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Is the pull, snake, or push the best for rookie forwards?

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Postby Grant on Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:34 am

I don't really have a good forward shot at the moment and so I have been debating about what shot I should try to get good at. Most of the pros shoot the snake shot. The pull is probably what I am currently best at for the moment. However, this one guy in Texas had a wicked push shot that was lighting up the rookie tournament.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I have decided to practice the snake shot. I ruled out the push shot because, while practicing the push, a very good player who rarely gives out advice came over to me and said something to the effect of, "Do yourself a favor and never shoot that shot ever again! There is a reason why you don't see any of the top pros shooting that shot". You can't argue much with that logic. So it was down to the pull or snake.

After attending the pro workshop at the tournament last weekend in Tampa, I decided to focus on the snake shot after Tom Yore, one of the great pull shooting pros, mentioned during the pro workshop that if he were starting to play now that he would learn the snake shot. His main reason was the stress the pull shot places on the arm and body. After spending two long weekends slinging pull shots from the goalie position my arm and wrist and hand was quite sore so his comment really hit home.

So the snake shot it is. It is kind of funny that have decided to learn to shoot the snake shot because that is the shot i like blocking best :)

Disclaimer: I realize that as a rookie forward my focus should be on the 5-rod. However, when i do manage to pass the ball to my three rod then i do need to try and do something.
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Postby Cheryl on Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:03 am

Just the menace we need on the local South Florida foos scene....both Winker brothers shooting the rollover...lol. :roll:
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Postby Foozkillah on Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:32 pm

Grant,

I bet i could teach you a fine long pull that would be a great complement to your snake-in-the-making.

Remember:

the devil has his evil snakeshot, of course,
and Fabulous Freddie has that frontpin series, too,
but only God & his angels shoot a RIGHTEOUS PULL

Word..
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Postby Foozkillah on Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:06 am

Anyway, to make a long story short, I have decided to practice the snake shot. I ruled out the push shot because, while practicing the push, a very good player who rarely gives out advice came over to me and said something to the effect of, "Do yourself a favor and never shoot that shot ever again! There is a reason why you don't see any of the top pros shooting that shot". You can't argue much with that logic. So it was down to the pull or snake.


All that means is that that player tried that shot and FAILED at making it a part of his arsenal. Yes it would save time and concentrate your practice on one killshot. But you have to decide what to practice for 1. Your main kill or "money" shot, 2. Your secondchoice shot for sneak attacks and weaker opponents, and 3. Your playful or fancy shots.

Yes, you must decide on a kill shot because you play competitive fooz, and just like any game or sport you wish to be good at, you have to have that shot that you can "groove" on and call upon when you MUST make a shot. I agree that the snake is easy to learn to be good at, but your secondary shot (pullshot of course) must also be practiced. Why? Because as you get higher up in skill and play against better and better goalkeepers, you have to have alternatives. I compare goalkeeping to batting at the plate, protecting the strike zone (the goal). What do you notice about great pitchers? They have an arsenal of pitches (shots)!!!! They may have a money pitch, but the best pitchers have three or four!! You always have to TAKE WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES YOU.

How? Easy as scoring a straight on a rookie or scrub goalie! When the goalkeeper bricks a succession of your shots without breaking a sweat, even when you're completely warmed up, THAT's the CLUE!! One or two secondary shots (HOLD ON: secondary means you've practiced these shots, maybe not as much as your primary, but practiced nonetheless!) might smoke the same goalkeeper.. without you, the pitcher or the forward shooting, burning out your best strokes and kicking yourself with consternation every time you flub an easy point! Just reload every time you get a chance to shoot, to make sure your muscles have recovered and are ready to draw on muscle memory like Michael Jordan's fadeaways or Dan Marino's passes. You know how those shots that have a screwed-up takeoff or a mishit look. THEY FEEL WRONG FROM THE START.

I've found that my two secondary shots and soon a third (moving Florida T from the middle frontpin) are extremely effective in going by a sloppy or scrub goalkeeper. I do not waste my time. I also detest having a rookie goalie figuring out how to anticipate my killshot (some do). Pros & Promasters do the same thing... after scoring with their two or three kill shots to keep their hand in, they will start with auxiliary shots and dinks and quicksets against weaker opponents. They save their mental preparedness, their muscle tone, and their stress levels for the bigger matches. Weaker opponents do NOT DESERVE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO of your killshots. One or two good secondary shots that work prevent your better opponents waiting and watching on the sidelines to check your killzones and tendencies. If you have watched Rob Mares and Tommy Adkisson win their Worlds and other majors, they would go with either Tommy's quick snake or pull, or Rob Mares' longer snake series. This and quicksets would keep their opponents off-balance. When Frederico came along, he would shoot and concentrate on one side or the other and then adjust even when he had drilled that side.

That's why Adam usually will shoot straights all night, especially on weaker opponents, after he's made sure his long and split set pullshots are working. He mixes these well with his tick-tack crossover pushkicks to the split. Gary Gold will drill you for a year down the middle or with simple 1inch rollovers if you show that he doesn't have to go long. That's also why your brother Mark's snakeshot, which I've seen him continue to keep shooting despite easier holes, can desert him at the worst times (4-all or meatball). A rookie tendency after making a great long is to keep shooting faster, longer, & harder. This can work for a match or two, but high experts, pros, & promasters will show their kill series on a long if THAT IS WHAT THE D KEEPS GIVING THEM. Otherwise they will not keep pullshooting or snakeing until they burn out and wonder why they can't seem to get their muscles to keep doing these high-concentration reps. This can stress out your limited concentration (everyone only brings a certain amount of concentration to each match, whether for shooting, passing, or defending) and lead to "brainlock" on the 5man: you keep getting impatient to try the shot again and hurry up and stop smoothing out your passing to the 3man.

Do you notice what Barry Bonds or Cesar Pujols or A-Rod (think of them like goalkeepers protecting their goal) do to the best pitchers that challenge them with their overhurled best pitch? Barry Bonds, steroids or not, can name every homer that he hit against every pitcher that year, and he embarasses them with this every time he comes to the plate. He couldn't do this to even an old fogie like Rocket Clemens or to Pedro Martinez (before he got unpopular) .. They could decide to keep striking players out with a nasty slider or split-finger, but could also decide cold-bloodedly to throw an 85mph breaking ball that would drop almost two inches within the strike zone. These were all KILLSHOTS.

So, practice your killshots to the max on your own or while warming up, have at least one other killshot, and have auxiliary shots to destroy the scrubs, and take what the D is giving you. Do not develop "tells" by overshooting your killshot like Mark does. You can even note that several of our excitable experts fall prey to the "HARDER, LONGER, STUPIDER.." trap when shooting. Heheheheh... I LOVE THOSE GUYS!!!! You know whom I am talking about. We are human, and we need to be in a "zone" or "groove" when shooting (passing, too!), and we can practice technique to not waste any concetration on killshots. We can have fun with weaker players with auxiliary shots.

CLARIFICATION: A set long pullshot with the straight or split options (long-split-straight) IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT shot from a moving quickset short or long pullshot. A Euro front-pin shot off of a moving roll dribble is totally different from a Euro front-pin from a stopped or slightly swaying center position, same with a snake. A tick-tack quickset pullkick is also quite different from a set long-dink-split set pullkick series. It sure helps to have variations of the same basic shot (snake vs pullkick vs pull vs push vs Euro). Staying within the same basic shot saves practice time, but REMEMBER, these don't force the goalkeeper to make extreme defensive strategy adjustments. AND the secondaries MUST BE PRACTICED to make them good for use as secondary shots.

Remember that everyone loses in a tournament except one team, and they may even lose too, before winning out. Just like treading water: treading faster than you need only burns you out. Remembering how the steady-state feels and going on automatic is better than thinking about treading concsciously. 8)
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Postby stalker on Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:04 pm

if you can learn a push shoot i recommend it just because not a lot of people have clue on how to block it. but I would learn a pull also, there is nothing like a good pull shoot.
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Postby Foozkillah on Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:08 pm

You said:
if you can learn a push shoot i recommend it just because not a lot of people have clue on how to block it. but I would learn a pull also, there is nothing like a good pull shoot.


But you must remember that those that you really wish to beat, those that stand in your way to the losers final or winners final, will have a clue. It usually works that way. I don't know if it's a corollary to Murphy's Law, but :

A. If you just barely won the Winner's bracket with a marginal partner, while playing your best:
    Your partner will get so cocky & immediately get drunk or wasted.
    You or your partner, or both, will start messing with whatever worked to get you there, like switching sequence or strategy, or passing lanes.
    Your partner will be so high or wasted he will outscore everyone into your goal.
    You get so upset your partner is so high & wasted that YOU outscore him into your own goal.
B. After you just lost your first match in a very tough manner:
    You or your partner will still be thinking ONLY of your last match, during the next game.
    The audience, your friends, the barkeeps, even bums, all decide to walk past you, snagging you or distracting you, but only you and noone else.
    You will try to fix what went wrong against a totally different next team.
    Your partner will be so disheartened he/she will not play hard anymore.
    The team who just beat you will get all scrub teams to defeat next.
C. After you barely lose the Winner's bracket with your partner:
    Your newbie but well-playing partner goes home - no clue about double-elimination.
    You draw the luckiest team in the tournament for your first losers match.
    You draw the first team you put into the losers with all lucky hack shots.
    You draw the one goalie who can only block you & your partner like the walls on the Greall Wall of China, but who also gets smoked by everybody else.
    Your partner's brain falls out, or their ride has to go, or your brain falls out.

So the best way is to have several good shots, so even if only one or half of one works for the night, you won't feel that urge to cry too much.
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Postby Old Sweater on Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:07 am

My 2 cents. Pull.
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