2006 Idaho Foosball Championship CANCELLED

[Foosfest]

I got an email from Charlie Parker stating the 2006 Idaho Foosball Championship has been cancelled.

Lorraine

[SlapShot]

Why????

SlapShot

[Foosfest]

I emailed and asked hoping that nothing bad happened and asked if I should post something on our forum. The response was "No, but thanks anyway." Sorry I can't give you more information.

Lorraine

[j-RoD]

He basically 'Took his ball and went home'... what an ass... control freak... sigh

He has to do everything his way, and cant take it when everyone thinks his way sucks. The end, so long chuck!

Here was the mail I got...
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2006 Idaho Foosball Championship is cancelled and Idahofoosball.com is history. Outside of a very slim few (you know who you are) and I love ya, I’m sick and tired of all the petty bullshit. Foos used to be a fun sport, now it seems to be nothing but a bunch of winning, insolent fools that claim to be foosball players but they’re noting but a bunch of selfish people that only can think of themselves and give nothing back to the sport unless it serves their needs.


Sincerely

Charlie Parker

[Charlie Parker]

Yes Jarod, sometimes the volcano erupts when all you hear is negativity. But to be fair I also emailed (all of them personally including the one you posted on the public forum)>

My comments last night were skewed the wrong direction; ‘most’ of the players are good people. But when it gets down to it, I no longer have the time to be involved in the capacity I am nor the desire to deal with the crap that seems to come with the territory.

Also we just don’t have the support we need to pull things off for an Idaho State. Seattle players and Portland players pulled out to go to a private tourney at a birthday party. I don’t have a clue what’s happening in I.F. and we seem to only get 8 or 10 players locally to play at the draws any more.

As far as the web site, it has been having problems for about a week or two now, and I don’t have the time to work on it.

Sincerely

Charlie Parker

For anyone that is interested, I do believe I found the problem with the web site. I had two routers with the same address causing intermittent conflicts. It should stay up now.

Sincerely

Charlie Parker

Sorry Lorraine

[j-RoD]

Charlie,
Yes I just read your latest email, and was thinkin of posting it on here as well, but looks like you beat me to it.

As for the volcano erupting, I think you have pretty much asked for it. The Idaho State was totally your thing. You got off to a good start but just suck at planning and following thru. It is just too much work for one person. (Tim doesnt count..lol .. kidding tim) It was a valiant effort and you did raise $2500. (which I assume will be returned?)

I agree with you about all the negativity, I couldnt do it, and lately refused to be apart of it. Foos is fun for me, a release from the daily grind. I dont want to be put to work or feel guilty cuz of it.

One thing you failed to realize is that without players like me, there would have never been an Idaho foos, strong weekly dyp's, the web traffic & site you take credit for, etc. Whether you notice it or not, many of us do run the weekly dyps, clean the tables, change parts, wash and grind the balls, call around and get people down there.. and even help out with an occasional logo or flyer, and most important... show up week after week.

Since the inception of your website things have been only your way. Your stupid 'goose rules'. e.g. Its the little shit, like when there are 10 people saying hey, lets split this team up cuz they are too strong, while another team has two fishy 'borderline spinner' scrubs, or even something as stupid as how deep to payout and what amounts, you simply refuse to listen.

I saw the meltdown coming for months, and am not the least bit surprised. It is obvious that you and I have not got along for sometime, that sad thing is its not really personal. I dont hate you, just the things you do. Honestly, there have been many times recently when I am embarrased to be apart of Idaho foos.

Well, there you go Utah!!! A little Idaho foos laundry for ya!

J-Rod

[SlapShot]

I just wanted to point out the humor in the cancellation of the Idaho State Tournament. It's not funny that it's been cancelled, what's funny is why it's been cancelled.

I just checked the idaho foosball website (which is now back up and running...hmmmm) and saw that the tournament was cancelled due to a lack of participation. Huh?

This is interesting because the tournament was cancelled due to players from Portland and Seattle not being able to make it. Huh?

I know monies where raised for the event and there was not any danger of recouping/covering payouts so why is the participation of neighboring states dictating whether there is a tournament or not?

I say this was a great opportunity for Idaho to really put on a good event. You have $2,500 in raised funds, plus entry fees, plus coin revenue, that could all go into your local players pockets...Thus creating an incentive to play for the local players..

Just food for thought...to bad

SlapShot

[Charlie Parker]

All good points, but it looked like we were going to give out $2,500 to a handful of local players that we all play with on a regular basis anyway.

I would much rather have partcipation from the surrounding areas to make it more interesting and more fun.

The cancelations from Seattle & Portland were all last minute.

The money is still in the bank so it just means the date was cancelled, not the tournament in general. If we can find a date that people from all the surrounding cities could show up with a handful of players representing their respective areas, the tournament will still happen.

Charlie Parker

[SlapShot]

I understand your logic and reasoning. I just think it's flawed. From my own personal experience I think it's best to grow your events from the local level out.

Sure, you may not get the out of state participation you wanted but the more important factor is that you've lit a fire under your local scene.

The first Utah State that I threw was around $2,500. This cash came out of MY pocket, there was no sponsor money, and we had a great event for ALL of our locals plus the few out of towners that made it.

Because we had a great tournament the first year we were able to double the payouts based on past participation; still without sponsorship money.

Like I said before, there is a Golden Opportunity for Boise to set something up for the local player base that they can help grow from within. I'm sure if would of asked the local players what they wanted they would of told you just about the same thing.

SlapShot

[Charlie Parker]

Contrary to what you might have heard, there was a lot of input from local players. I can, and do, spend my time listening but sooner or later a decision has to be made and not everyone will agree on it or be happy with it, no matter what. Such is life.

Every tournament organizer I have ever talked to says the same thing.

If you have run tournaments you must know all this.

Hell a couple of years ago we tried to set up an association with elected officers to run things. That lasted for one meeting.

And you know what, even if the association had taken off, the same people that do the bitchin now would be still be bitchin because something didn't go their way.

As far lighting a fire under my local scene, I tend to light fires under the same few people no matter what, and I might not always react to things in the most perfect way, but I'm the first to admit it.


On a more positive note;
I am currently in the middle of discussions with some of the player base now as to how to spend the sponsorship money. And I can guarantee you, not everyone will agree with how it will be handled even though I’m not yet sure how it will be spent. The key is to suck it up and play. Not meaning you, I'm talking about any player base in general in any town.

BTW> Who am I posting to.

Charlie Parker

[j-RoD]

Its "Idaho State" ass... not Idaho and surrounding areas state.

It just burns me that you rag on the local players for being selfish, yet you are the worst of all.

This is all really the Charlie Parker show. See, you wanted to have a big tourney so everyone could say "Oh look what a great tourney Charlie put on" "Hes so great" "Can I swing on your nuts charlie, can I can I'

Those were your exact word 4 mos ago: "I want to show everyone that it can be done" It was never about Idaho players EVER.... dick

You cant put out a flyer 3 weeks before and expect people to come running. You generated absolutely zero excitment. You fucked it up. Period. Very sad that you punish the rest of us for it...

This is my favorite and says it all:

All good points, but it looked like we were going to give out $2,500 to a handful of local players that we all play with on a regular basis anyway.

I would much rather have partcipation from the surrounding areas to make it more interesting and more fun.

Thanks for saving us from such a terrible mistake. You are the ruler of Idaho Foosball and I thank you for your executive decision.

P.S How much did YOU raise of that $2500? Maybe you should have asked Bob what he thought.... fag

As far as I am concerned, in you owns words

Idahofoosball.com is history

So beat it chuck, you have nothing to offer.

OK Im done. Ill move the rest of my rants to the Idaho Netfoos board.

BTW> I am posting to Charlie Parker

[j-RoD]

OK 1 more post...

Contrary to what you might have heard, there was a lot of input from local players. I can, and do, spend my time listening but sooner or later a decision has to be made and not everyone will agree on it or be happy with it, no matter what. Such is life.

HA HA HAHAAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHA.. Thats so fucking funny I just puked

W-A-N-K-E-R....

[Foosfest]

Well nobody has the right to tell others how they should speak to one another. So I won't. But I have an eight-year-old and I tell him that if he doesn't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Does anyone remember their moms telling them that? I also explain to him what "Beware of the Accuser Means."

Please, can we be respectful of each other? Or is this one of those "I have a dream" moments ?

Regards,
Lorraine

[j-RoD]

No dreams here, just a bit angry. These issues have been frustrating me for a while, this event just pushed it over the top. I could have chosen a better outlet. Sorry.

Jarod

(It doesnt help that I work on the computer 10 hours a day either... too easy.)

[SlapShot]

J-Rad,

Don't let Lorraine tell you what to do... More seriously, you have all the right to express however it is you feel. I've had my run-in's with Charlie and I can relate.

Sometimes the truth isn't always nice, but that doesn't mean something shouldn't be said...What do they say, "a sqeaky wheel gets oil".

Anyway, from the responses/people I've talked with in the Boise area this was not there decision to cancel the tournament and that honor falls directly on Chalie's shoulders.

SlapShot

[Charlie Parker]

Mr. McLure, Last I read, Lorraine is the "Board Administrator"

She has every right to moderate things on this forum however she sees fit. Jarod recognized that and appologized to her, no matter what his personal feelings toward me are.

Charlie Parker

[SlapShot]

True, she is the Board's Administrator, and we appreciate her for that.

However, my comment was in jest in regards to her comments.

As for the right to express oneself...that's the individual right on this board...and it is her responsibility, if she wants it, to keep it clean.

From Lorraine's past actions I've come to appreciate her ability to understand the level of her authority that can be used. She's shown a great deal of tolerance on the board, in person, and with the group overall.

Her short time as a promoter I'm sure has been quite the learning process. She doesn't use her "given" athority such as you do/have in the past to benefit her personally.

This board is not a Nazi run prison camp and is blessed with open dialoge. It is a forum for "foosers" to come and share whatever they must. When the individual's feelings/expressions become surpressed by the admin then that's when we'll find a new outlet.

Again, I don't always agree with profanity but feelings/opinions/expressions must be freely expressed.

So, please don't tell me who's the boss anymore. This isn't Idaho, you can't take your ball and go home, or just shut down the site for the day while you pout.

SlapShot

[nick]

Now I've sat and read every reply, and am just shocked. First of all Charlie for my wife and I to go we had to line up a babysitter for 3 days. Which is asking somebody to reschedule there weekend to accomidate us. I schedule my whole buisness around this event. Asking employees to work on what would have been there normal weekend off. So that is another family I've asked to change there schedule. So I can show my support for Idaho foos. I've tried to be at everyone of your events, even if it wasn't condusive to my schedule. Just to show my support for Idaho. As far as a lot of us look at it, Utah and Idaho are adjoined at the hip when it comes to foos. So you didn't talked to everybody about it. Are you going to share the money with everybody else whose schedule got fucked around? How about the time I fucken wasted trying to set it up so I could come support your tournament. Charlie you can say all you want (and personally I've never had a problem with you before now) but man you blew it. Do these sponsors know that there money isn't going for what was promised. Man this smells like TS all over again. NOBODY do you know what I mean. I hope am wrong about that last statement. But I sure the fuck am right about everything else.
Nick

[nick]

Lorraine rocks, she tries to understand our points and feelings. Hey our moderater and promoter down south of your stateline really really cares. We don't always agree on everything. But she does this work for the GAME not for any ego trip. It makes you appreciate what you got.
Nick

[nick]

I just wanted to say sorry for my language on my previous post.
Nick

[the wall]

sounds like to me some one needs to kick charlie in the nuts and get rid of his sorry selfish ass sounds like no one like him any ways

[snoranger]

First, my apologies to our neighbors to the south.

I have been debating even posting a reply, I shouldn’t but perhaps a different perspective is in order.
J-rod, you may have some valid and supportable points, however your choice to post a rant in a public forum complete with name calling and swearing is not the best way to effect change in a sport that you want to see progress.
You mention that you “saw the meltdown coming for months”, if true, then why not participate in a positive manner to avoid such problems. On the contrary I perceive that you have been actively seeking and encouraging this meltdown. Recall with me a young lad coming to a Super Saturday tournament planning on ignoring the known and published participation guidelines or as you call them “stupid goose rules”. When the TD wouldn’t let him do this, that young lads response was - F*&^ YOU ALL! And F*&^ Idaho foosball! Stormed out the door and slammed it behind him. Do you recall the fit this young lad pitched? This was another situation where you perhaps had a valid question/concern. But your delivery was way out of line. The rules cannot be changed the day of an event simply because this would not be fair to the other participants. You may also recall that a discussion of the general foos population was initiated where a consensus was reached to modify some of those rules of participation.
Now it’s clear that you and Charlie have problems and a negative history, frankly I could care less why it is or what the cause is. And now you will post that I am a friend of Charlie’s and I’m biased. It’s true I am a friend of Charlie’s. I will also say that I have not always agreed with what he say’s and does, but I’ve also found that when approached in a civil manner with a logical and constructive suggestion he’s been willing to listen. I will also say that I have tried to be your friend. I will also have to say that your perspective is also biased, based on what ever ill feelings that you have towards Charlie.

Bottom line: is Charlie always right? NO, is J-rod always right? NO and surprise of surprises neither am I. We all have different perceptions of the same events.

i'll go away now, and again my apologies to our friends in Utah
LP

[nick]

Who is LP? It really probably doesn't matter, other than I took the time to read the whole post. And thanx for the apoligy. I guess, because I don't know who is apoligizing and why does he feel compelled to apoligize. But that is a hell of a lot more than we've gotten from Charlie Parker.
Nick

[flashypaws]

hmmm...


lets see...

where to start...


first of all, parker is the man.

and jarod is an ass.


parker has been promoting and participating in boise foosball for about 30 years. im pretty sure hes forgotten more about the game than jarod will ever learn.

the goal for the idaho open was to get around 40+ players showing up from all over the pac nw. it was to be a showcase event, to let everybody know that we play for realz here. (oh, and we do, trust me.)

unfortunately, boise is the most remote major city in the lower 48. 600 miles to the next major metro area. that means that the tournament here has to be the ONLY tournament going on at the time, or nobody (not martin) will show up.

chaz did his best to pick a soft spot for the tourney, but others did the same for their tourneys, and surprise surpise surprise, nobody (not martin) was gonna show up.

there's really no reason to let me and rick split a 1000 dollar singles purse, when either one of us will show up for singles if somebody offers us a glass of ice. or a shiney piece of aluminum foil. (and trust me, me and rick were gonna split that pot. didnt matter who showed up. *taunt*)

so parker did the wise thing. and postponed the tourney. it's his freakin tournament. he can do whatever the hell he wants. if jarod wants to give me and rick 1000 bucks, fine. let him raise the money and hold his own stupid tournament. ill be there. ill take the cash. ill laugh. and ill go home and get drunk.

im not sure why jarod went all hysterical. but i think it has something to do with everybody solving his gimpy one-sided rollover. (camp the pull, force the long push and/or the push split. there. the secrets out, gimp. now you're gonna have to get some skillz.)


lets see...

parker didnt stop the tournaments at the crescent. tim, or you, can go ahead and hold em. if parker gets all up in your face, and physically blocks the doorway, lemme know, and ill go re-locate his ancient ass for ya.

i didnt play em cuz:

a) the light sucks. 3 cans in a ceiling 12 feet over your head just dont cut it. it's like playin in a roller disco, what with each man casting 6 shadows, and things of that nature.

b) tim was running the tournaments. 'nuff said.


as for all you un-informed jackasses that suggested that j take over idaho foosball....

parker gave him adminstrator rights to the board. jarod then proceded to delete everything. so parker had to take it back, and restore it from backups.

if ya got any more brilliant ideas, please, keep em to yourself.



maybe ill take over the boards.


i, however, would most likely be so freakin intimidating that nobody (except rick) would post. RAWR!


if the ISO is re-scheduled, either for this year, or next, i'll let ya know.

you tools can rent a clown car, drive up here with 30 of ya in it, and get your freakin asses whupped. *re-taunt*


and jarod, if ya read this here, and wanna attack me too, bring it.

ya freakin girl.

i live for this shit.




paws out





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oh, and by the way, all you noobs should register on idahofoosball.com and read all my posts. it would raise your games about 6 levels. and thats why im here. to help the little people.




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[the wall]

if i remember right the last time the utah players came to a idaho tourny we walked a way with every thing. hhhmmm i think it was easy to